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Real Estate Nerds 58:

Bad Beats

"Market Downturn vs Not Downturn"

Kevin Bupp
Real Estate Investing Expert
Real Estate Nerds
Episode 58: "Bad Beats"

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In todays episode of Real Estate Nerds Scott is joined by Kevin Bupp, real estate investor and CEO of Sunrise Capital Investors, to go over his ‘Bad Beat’ which like many investors is the year 2008. In this discussion they cover the current state of the real estate market and what investors should do in response to it. Kevin also shares some insight into his approach to stress testing deals and the ‘downturn’ vs ‘not downturn’ debate.

Market Downturn vs Not Downturn

Introduction to Kevin and his history in real estate.

[3:22] Scott and Kevin get into todays ‘Bad Beat’ which is a deal that taught Kevin a lot about the real estate game.

[4:43] Scott and Kevin briefly discuss the “bubbles” in the market and if the current market is similar to 2008.

[7:32] Kevin’s stress/sensitivity test for making smart decisions on deals:

  • Run out hypothetical scenarios of what the future may bring.
  • Mapping out the short term and long term game plan.
  • Determining the type of debt it will qualify for today.

[9:30] Example of the stress test in action.

[13:13] Kevin talks about another instance he encountered in 08 involving single family homes…

[15:00] …and what he did in response to it:

  • Emphasizing the importance of relationships
  • Maintaining honesty and transparency
[18:17] The passionate split between investors on the status of the market (‘downturn’ vs ‘not downturn’) and whether it actually matters.

[21:52] Investment strategies for the current market as well as looking long term.

[28:00] Scott mentions the #1 BIG thing that he sees separating successful and unsuccessful investors.

[28:20] Scott and Kevin touch back on the ‘downturn’ vs ‘not downturn’ debate.

[31:27] How to connect with Kevin and who he is looking to connect with:

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About Kevin Bupp

Kevin has been in real estate investing since the age of 20. He completed a degree in business at a small community college in PA, but eventually he decided to focus all of his energy on real estate. This turned out to be a good move, because for more than thirteen years he has been investing and consulting with tremendous results, having completed in excess of $40 million in real estate transactions. Currently he is a candidate for CCIM, the highest commercial real estate designation around. 

Kevin has owned a successful mortgage company, and has started a number of other successful businesses, including an events company that hosts running events in 8 different states, a printing company, and marketing consulting.

Here is a quote from Kevin to give you an idea of what he is about: “I love life. I love my family, and my friends. I love meeting new people and taking calculated risks and inspiring growth. I love that my upbringing gave me the ability to pick myself up after a fall. Passion is the key, I think. Without it, ideas die before they have a chance to thrive, people don’t start their own businesses, and success remains a speck on the horizon.”


Connect with Kevin via his websites or podcasts:

  • “Mobile Home Park Investing”
  • “Real Estate Investing For Cash Flow Hosted by Kevin Bupp”

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